People who have faith worship God. Some call Him Jehovah, some call Him Allah, some call him Jesus. Any name you call Him, He is still God.

How do people walk on this Earth as atheists? How do these people find comfort and peace? How do they sleep at night? Who do they trust in and cry to when they are scared or in pain?

Heaven and hell…do you believe? If you have no religion, no faith, what happens when your time expires? Where do you go? Is it like your body gets “unplugged” from the Earth and you are no where? I find it hard to comprehend. I was raised Catholic and was taught right and wrong. I was taught that if you don’t ask God for forgiveness, you will go to hell. If you accept Jesus as your Saviour, you will go to Heaven. It was as simple as that. What happens if Heaven and hell are here on Earth and in your mind? Kind of a scary thought, but know one actually knows, it’s faith. If you live your life as a good person and follow in Jesus’ footsteps, your mind and conscience are clear. You can live free of guilt, free of retribution and free of anger. If you live your life lying, cheating and sinful, your mind is clouded with hatred, guilt and sorrow. Aren’t these attributes of what hell is made of? Maybe Heaven or hell is where you are today. Maybe it’s what you made out of your life. Maybe when you close your eyes, you are “unplugged” and void. To me, this is a scary thought.

Laws, rules, guidelines – we were all raised and brought up with them but what do they mean? If there is no “prize” at the end, why do we have to obey anything or anyone? Why do we feel we need to follow laws and rules? I believe that everyone knows right from wrong and they choose to do what they do because they either have or don’t have fear. Fear is what keeps us in line and keeps us on the straight and narrow.

So, is there a God? A Heaven? A hell? A life after death? Will we all meet up at the end? I wish there was an answer. How do people, with no faith or religion, cope with right and wrong? If you have no reward at the end, what are your guidelines?

Please comment below with YOUR opinion.

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30 responses

  1. Jeanine says:

    Thank you to everyone who gave their opinion on this post! The comments are now closed.

  2. Charles says:

    How do Christian become crutch holders? By praying, through giving, from carrying about others? You mean by turning to our God in time of trouble? I’ve seen many miracles and that’s proof enough for me that there is a God.

    I am also a Vietnam Vet (Marine) and you better believe I wasn’t the only one who cried out to God for help and comfort amidst the gunfire and bombs exploding around our foxhole… the non-believers did as well.

  3. Jeanine says:

    To my atheist friends who are patiently awaiting my response, here it is:

    You are waiting for me to present proof that there is a God. Asking for proof is as asking for proof of wind. Although you don’t see wind, you know it’s there. You feel the gentle breeze on your face, you see the flowers swaying and you feel the gust of air brush through your hair. Do you see the wind? No, but you know it’s there, you feel it. That’s why I believe in God. Although there is no phyiscal proof, I feel Him next to me. I feel Him comfort me when I am upset, I feel His love when the world has let me down.
    Just as you live your life looking for evidence and proof, I have found my proof through my children, through love, through faith.
    Everyone believes in different things, different gods and live their lives following different faiths. To me, God is real and I feel that’s all the proof I need. If you feel you need more proof, more power to you. I am satisfied with my evidence.

    • Brad Jones says:

      Jeanine, this isn’t fair either. None of us ever said we would have *see* a god or gods to accept they are real.

      If you were a real xian, you wouldn’t lie in this manner.

      • Jeanine says:

        No, but you are looking for “proof” that God exists. I can’t give you proof. I believe God is real and exists because of my faith, because of the way I feel when I pray to Him. There is no explaination, it’s a personal preference – just as yours is.
        And to call me a liar isn’t fair either- it’s my faith, my belief, my life.

      • Brad Jones says:

        “No, but you are looking for “proof” that God exists. I can’t give you proof. I believe God is real and exists because of my faith, because of the way I feel when I pray to Him. There is no explaination, it’s a personal preference – just as yours is.
        And to call me a liar isn’t fair either- it’s my faith, my belief, my life.”

        Hmm, so it would be perfectly fine with you if I go to the police and have you arrested for hurting people simply because I believe you did it?

      • Jeanine says:

        First of all, your analogy was disgusting, I had to edit it. Second of all, you don’t want a debate, you are a very opinionated, cynical person who is obviously looking to change peoples thoughts. This “debate” is over.
        Let me leave you with this quote from the Bible:

        Psalms14:1 The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.”
        They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds,
        there is none who does good.

  4. Sharon says:

    Atheists have faith in themselves and reality. That is the difference between an atheist and a religious person. Atheists need no crutch, they have themselves and their brain to count on.

  5. wodasi says:

    Remember, for quite some period of time now, as you measure time, we have tried to inform you to the effect that your third density environment has been completely controlled and will be controlled by forces that seek only to serve themselves for a period, as you would measure time, exceeding 309,000 years. And, many, many times in your current life existence, you have reflected upon the questions involving the beneficial or otherwise existence of individuals or an individual IN this environment, the pros and cons of continuing such existence, and what is involved with it. And, you have correctly perceived the conclusion that this is, primarily, a negative experience. But, not that good things do not come from a negative experience, but that the basic indicator that it is a negative experience, should also indicate to you that it is an experience related to a chain of command involving Service to Self. And, therefore, Service to Self is a manipulative action rather than a openly beneficial action. It is a withdrawing and taking motion rather than an expanding motion. And these statements can answer for you, not only simple questions about one chemical compound, but the very nature of your existence to begin with as well. ( FROM CASSIOPAEA.Org )

  6. Shannon says:

    Most people stubbornly refuse to explore the evidence of God. To them it’s simply: “There is no God”…period. and expect that to be solid fact when in actuality more evidence points to a creator and scientist don’t all believe in evolution. Majority of people believe in someone higher. If a person lets one thing from the Bible throw them off because they don’t understand doesn’t mean there is no God or no meaning to life. If you fell down in the dark, would you just lie there or would you get up and search for the light-I’m speaking symbolically as well.

  7. Lou says:

    First, I am a combat veteran and an Atheist. There aren’t any gods or Jesus in a foxhole, the only person is the soldier fighting next you. Wait, his name was Jesus he was from New Mexico.

    Just try not to think about this subject to much, that is how Atheists are made. If your god is all knowing, would he not know that I would become an Atheist? Who are you to question god? Why didn’t he try and stop it? Does he want me to go to hell? Bible does say that we are predestined to go to one or the other. As far as free will in the bible god determines who is going to heaven …
    “And as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.” — Acts 13:48
    “For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate…. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.” — Romans 8:29-30
    “Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began.” — 2 Timothy 1:9
    “He hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will.” — Ephesians 1:4-5
    “God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation.” — 2 Thessalonians 2:13
    and who is going to hell.
    “God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned.” — 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12
    “For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation.” — Jude 4

    When I stopped believing in other childhood characters that brought money, candy and presents (names withheld for protection of believers) I didn’t seem to have much trouble from others around me that still believed.
    Let me get one thing straight before I go on, so I understand correctly, the unending, all-powerful force of creation that hand-made the universe funneled himself into the body of a human fetus and teleported the fetus into the uterus of a married virgin (really). He then spent 30 years on earth walking around doing nothing, and then he starts healing the sick but only the ones he bumped into along the way, then one day he rearranged reality to set in motion events that would lead to his own death, effectively committing suicide. He does this because his death will, for some or other reasons, clear humanity’s sin total (which he, himself is keeping up in heaven) because some rib-woman, the second woman made, convinced by a talking serpent ate from the tree of knowledge. We can’t have smart people in the bible. Then after his plans to get himself killed fall into place, he looks around and asks himself why has he abandoned himself? Is that the gist of it?

    How do people walk on this Earth as atheists?
    Same as you. Why do christians worry so much about Atheist? Why do christians need acceptance from Atheist about their religion? Do you want us to say yes all other religions are crazy but yours?

    You grew up catholic so you know right from wrong. Are you still a catholic now? Do you give money to the catholic church for the pedophile defense fund? What right and wrong were you taught? I wonder if another corporation in America all the managers were pedophiles. Would you still be a patron of that establishment?

    Morals, right and wrong from religion. During which period in history are you referring to? The crusades? The witch burning? The inquisitions? Even today in Africa christian preachers are convincing parents that their children are possessed by witches and for a “FEE” they hire men of the village to come and beat their children with bats because that’s how you exorcise a witch from your child as the bible says. The blueness of a wound cleanseth away evil: so do stripes the inward parts of the belly. Proverbs 20:30.
    99.2% of prisoners are christians. Just think if you believe in an afterlife and walk with jesus along with every one else that believed you will be walking with some of the worst people in society that have committed violent crimes. Other famous people to be walking with is Hitler, Jeffery Dahmer plus the pedophile priest.

  8. Mark says:

    Without the suggestion that “atheists are immoral” from religious clergy, a Christian could not accurately point out who in our society today who is atheistic.

    I’ve been told many times by Christian friends that they assumed I was a Christian because I’m a nice guy, etc,etc.

    • Jeanine says:

      I think any kind of radical thinking is shallow and it’s also masking a numerous amount of other issues in that individual. Most radicals hate and judge to mask the bitterness in their own hearts.

      People should be judged on their actions, not by what religion they are or aren’t.

  9. Mark says:

    How do people walk on this Earth as atheists? How do these people find comfort and peace? How do they sleep at night? Who do they trust in and cry to when they are scared or in pain?

    Because brainwashing did not take hold of us.
    We are just as human as anyone else. We are from all walks of life and error like any other person.

    You may want to consider that other religious folks may think of Christianity.
    Just as you are a Christian, a Hindu could look at Christians and think, “How do these people walk on this Earth as Christians?”

  10. Your questions are rather common ones that are directed towards atheism, but the most important one seems to be the question of where our “souls” go when we die. It is a natural question, because it is very hard to conceive of “not being” once one has been aware of consciousness. My own answer is that we don’t have souls separate from our brains. The “mind-body” dualism of a soul that either reincarnates or succeeds our brain’s death is an illusion. This has been demonstrated scientifically as well as anecdotally.

    Brain damage, brain disease and chemicals affect our perceptions and thought processes, Depression is traceable to imbalances in chemicals that affect the way people think and perceive reality. Bipolar disorder can be treated with medications. Neurologists understand the relationship between the limbic system and the experience of pleasure, and pain.

    When the brain dies, we are done, and we experience after death what we experienced before our brains developed in the uterus. There is no “there” there for us after we are gone. And I find this to be cheering rather than depressing.

    If I were not an atheist, I would dread the horrors and boredom of both heaven and hell. The boredom of eternal bliss would be torture to a human soul not long after the first centuries have passed. This leads to your question of moral guidelines, and the answer is found in the observation that humans are social animals. We find intrinsic reward in selfish activities, but in social ones as well. There is the concept of a social contract, which explains why we do unto others as we would have done unto us; in order to enjoy the protections against nature that we need, we band together and give up a certain amount of autonomy in order to form social bonds that further our own survival by furthering our social groups’ mutual survival. We do good because we want to, we do evil when our choices to do good conflict with the needs of others. Psychopaths and sociopaths seem to be the ones who lack the empathy towards others that leads to evil for its own sake, and the threat of eternal torture for doing bad is only necessitated if we say that man is by nature a sociopathic animal.

    I detest most religions because they teach that man is a sinful creature, unworthy of our creator, and if our creator is as omnipotent as is taught, then he is a horrendously evil being who chose that the largest portion of sentient beings would suffer eternal torture. The Creator of Adam and Eve foresaw their Sin. He knew that they would do what they did. And what was their sin? Curiosity and a desire to learn and do more than just be simple tenders of the garden. They wanted to strive, to have life and to understand as the gods did the nature of existence. According to the literal interpretation of the Creation story and the “salvation” of the New Testament, he waited 4000 years to provide the way out of hell, dooming 200 generations of people to eternal damnation. Why would he not be able to come up with a better way of spreading the “good news” than an easily corruptible institution as the Roman Catholic Church and the supremely self-interested protestant churches? Why would he create doctrines so confusing and contradictory about how to achieve “salvation” that we create so many religions to try to explain it? In the meantime, billions of “Souls” go to Hell for not getting the right word on how to ultimately please him enough to be able to go to heaven? Even upon getting the “right word,” what of those who use reason to see that the whole thing is ridiculous and deny it?

    My point is that if god so loved the world, then why did he set it up so that such a large portion of us are doomed before we are born?

    Religion teaches that we are doomed because of our sinful natures, but the sins that keep us from knowing god are not sins against our fellow humans, but sins against god. Not believing, or believing wrong, depends on where and when we were born and not our own independent insight.

    The idea that we need the threats of heaven and hell to behave towards each other properly is another case of blaming the victims and not laying responsibility where it belongs, with the creator. It is the same as the muslim insistence that women are to blame when they get raped because they “didn’t fight hard enough,” as the idea that women’s genitals must be destroyed so that they don’t become wanton, as the idea that women must not be allowed to use contraception or have abortions so that they are punished by unwanted pregnancies or venereal diseases if they choose their own sexual experiences. It is the same as the idea that women must cover themselves or dress conservatively because men can’t control ourselves and will rape those who dress “slutty.” Such norms betray a hatred of both men and women, men for being pigs who can’t control ourselves and women for inviting sexual violence.

    Religion doesn’t fix society’s problems. It exacerbates them. It creates divisions which are exploited politically.

    I have no need for religion, and I hope that someday humanity weans itself from such a damnable doctrine.

    • Jeanine says:

      it’s nice to hear such a leveled individual that feels no need for an Angel on his shoulder or a crutch at a bad time. But there may come a time in everyone’s life, or it’s nice to know, that somebody may be listening to them when they need to talk the most.
      Remember…they say there are no atheists in foxholes.

      • Mark says:

        Remember…they say there are no atheists in foxholes.

        And what type of people say that? I have never heard that from the lips of an atheist.

      • But there are atheists in foxholes. Pat Tillman gave his life as a Ranger in Afghanistan (although it looks like he was killed by friendly fire.)

        Here is an organization with which you may be unfamiliar:

        Military Atheists and Secular Humanists

        There is Sergeant Justin Griffith.

        Rock Beyond Belief

        We do need help at bad times, but we find it in ways that have nothing to do with supernatural entities. I know it is hard to imagine or empathize with those of us who are not dependent on supernatural beliefs that we are “protected,” but nonetheless we have coping skills that are available at times of stress.

  11. Brad Jones says:

    “How do these people find comfort and peace?”

    This question is very telling of a person who asks it. It indicates the asker is full of turmoil. We atheists actually recognize this turmoil and realize it is a direct result of the confusion religion brings to a person. We atheists are actually the ones at peace with ourselves for not constantly having to reaffirm our belief and faith in something that is less than concrete.

    “Who do they trust in and cry to when they are scared or in pain?”

    The most simple answer is: ourselves, or no one, or even a god the same as you. Our minds have the exact same ability, to believe in any god or gods, as yours does. Realizing that god or gods most likely do not actually exist does not preclude crying out to a god if we so desire. The simple fact is that many religious people feel the same way but are too afraid to admit as much, even to themselves.

    “Heaven and hell…do you believe?”

    I tend not to believe in anything unless I experience sufficient evidence of the thing. So I’m reserving judgment until further proof either way.

    “If you have no religion, no faith, what happens when your time expires? ”

    The exact same thing that happens when your time expires, unless something is occurring to dead people that I’m not aware of. You do realize that merely believing in an afterlife does not actually make an afterlife occur, don’t you?

    “I was raised Catholic and was taught right and wrong.”

    I abhor “teaching” as much as most anything. “Teaching” is the same exact thing as brainwashing. I have no issue with a person “learning,” but I can make an airtight argument against “teaching.” Furthermore, being taught someone else’s version of “righteousness and wrongness” does not mean that “righteousness and wrongness/evil” actually objectively exist, it merely means you were taught someone else’s version of it. If “righteousness and evil” actually objectively exists, it would stand to reason that everyone would innately understand the difference between the two and would not have to be “taught” the difference.

    “I was taught that if you don’t ask God for forgiveness, you will go to hell.”

    Aside from that being a terrorist threat, which in and of itself is abhorrent, it is also one of the most abhorrent crimes ever committed against humanity for people to be taught that they are inherently unsaved and filthy sinners. I grieve over the fact that early scripture writers were such unscrupulous peoples that so desired to control the masses instead of peacefully co-existing, that they had to invent such nonsense. If you want to control the masses all you gotta do is teach them that they inherently owe a debt and that they’ll forever have to remain humbled and dutiful to the master and that the debt will never truly be repaid.

    “but know one actually knows, it’s faith.”

    Funny that religious people continue to state emphatically that an unseen god is real, but when backed into a corner will admit the above… “it’s faith.” I’d like to know how they can possibly “know” a god exists and that we inherently owe this god forever and that if we aren’t “good” then we’ll burn in hell forever?

    “How do people, with no faith or religion, cope with right and wrong?”

    As you can see, the previous poster is indicative of the great majority of non-believers, in that even without god they still believe in “objective righteousness and evil” e.g., murder and rape are objectively evil…..

    I myself am a nihilist and recognize that there is no such thing as objective righteousness and objective evil/wrongness…. therefore murder and rape are not objectively evil/wrong…… therefore there is no prize at the end for refraining from those acts nor is there punishment in the end for perpetrating those acts…. those acts are simply subjectively evil…… this also means that all “good” acts are simply subjectively good acts…..

    Feel free to debate me at bhmjones@yahoo.com if you desire….. or debate me here if you desire…..

    • Jeanine says:

      Religion and prayer brings upon positive thinking, you say religion brings on confusion but some say that religion and faith ends confusion. Crying to yourself some may feel isn’t enough. The thought of someone being there for you, listening to your cries is comforting- to some.
      Religion creates self discipline, and yes it is faith, and nobody knows who is right or wrong..we’ll all find out in the end.
      Not all teaching is brainwashing. The Bible still states that all man has free will and what we do with our free will is up to us.
      Too much to either side is unhealthy for everybody. If something makes sense to you, you do it (free will)

      • Brad Jones says:

        “Religion and prayer brings upon positive thinking”

        No one is under any inherent duty to “think positively,” agree?

        Furthermore, who gets to decide what is “positive”?

        But for argument’s sake, lets us say that everyone agrees what positive is, religion would hardly be responsible for positive thinking. I.E., religion endorses misogyny, racism, slavery, genocide, xenophobia, homophobia, etc etc…. Agree?

        “some say that religion and faith ends confusion”

        Not when it begs such questions as to why a god would create us without our knowledge or permission and immerse us into some sick game it plays with the devil to tempt us with fleshly desires only to be told that indulging in our fleshly desires is filthy sin that requires washing away with the blood of the son god who would come down out of heaven to sacrifice himself to himself to convince himself to forgive us for succumbing to the very same fleshly desire he designed us to desire. And not when it begs such questions as to why such a loving god would allow its loved ones to suffer diseases and loss of life and limb in infinite numbers of ways to die and contract illnesses. Etc etc. Agree?

        “Religion creates self discipline”

        Again, you say that as if “self discipline” is some sort of inherent duty of humans. No one has any inherent duty to be disciplined. Agree?

        “we’ll all find out in the end”

        Perhaps. That hasn’t been empirically established as a fact just yet. Agree?

        “Not all teaching is brainwashing.”

        Pray tell what it is then?

        “The Bible still states that all man has free will and what we do with our free will is up to us.”

        Which shows one of the most glaring errors of the bible. There is zero evidence that anything in existence is not a slave to physics, even human thought. Therefore, with physics in control, all human actions are predestined, which, ironically enough, is what many religions teach, however they say god is the controller instead of physics.

    • Jeanine says:

      But for argument’s sake, lets us say that everyone agrees what positive is, religion would hardly be responsible for positive thinking. I.E., religion endorses misogyny, racism, slavery, genocide, xenophobia, homophobia, etc etc…. Agree?

      I did say in another comment that any kind of radical thinking is wrong. It’s one thing to believe in God and praise Him and it’s another thing to be a radical. Anything radical is, most of the time, wrong.

      Not when it begs such questions as to why a god would create us without our knowledge or permission and immerse us into some sick game it plays with the devil to tempt us with fleshly desires only to be told that indulging in our fleshly desires is filthy sin that requires washing away with the blood of the son god who would come down out of heaven to sacrifice himself to himself to convince himself to forgive us for succumbing to the very same fleshly desire he designed us to desire. And not when it begs such questions as to why such a loving god would allow its loved ones to suffer diseases and loss of life and limb in infinite numbers of ways to die and contract illnesses. Etc etc. Agree?

      Temptation is a part of life. God gave this to us for a purpose- to test us. Yes, it is not something we like, but it’s there. This is what we call free will. We all have the right to commit crimes, hurt people, etc, but just because someone hurt us, doesn’t give us the right to harm them. It’s judgement and free will.
      As for diseases and turmoil, once again God is testing our faith in Him. No one says it is right and it is one of those things that most of us don’t understand, but God tests our faith in Him. Once our trials are over, we are blessed and comforted by Him. If everything was perfect, we would be dead. We need good and bad in our lives, we need yin and yang. There couldn’t be good if there was no bad.

      “Not all teaching is brainwashing.”

      Pray tell what it is then?

      Teaching is preparing a person for something- the world outside, people they meet on the streets, a career in the future. Brainwashing is pounding something into someone and making them believe what they say is the ONLY right way. To kill someone because of religion, to curse someone because they disagree- these are examples of brainwashing. Hitler brainwashed! Jesus taught. He taught people right and wrong and what those people do with the teachings is their decision – right or wrong.

      “The Bible still states that all man has free will and what we do with our free will is up to us.”

      Which shows one of the most glaring errors of the bible. There is zero evidence that anything in existence is not a slave to physics, even human thought. Therefore, with physics in control, all human actions are predestined, which, ironically enough, is what many religions teach, however they say god is the controller instead of physics.

      People control themselves. We all know right from wrong. I believe there is such a thing as karma and what goes around comes around. It’s an eye for eye. You treat others with repect, then in turn, you will be treated with respect. Hurt someone, be prepared to be hurt back. Whether this is physics, karma or an Angel on your shoulder, it’s all relevant. We were born with brains and with a conscience.

      • Brad Jones says:

        “I did say in another comment that any kind of radical thinking is wrong.”

        And I pointed out in another post that no-thing is “wrong,” there is no such thing as objective “wrong.” So when you say some-thing is “wrong,” all you’re really saying is that it is something that you dislike, or disagree with. In other words, it is subjectively “wrong,” not objectively wrong. For it to be objectively wrong, there would have to be an indisputable and immutable set of rules to define it as such. For now, all we have is *some* human’s opinions as to what is “wrong” and what isn’t “wrong.”

        Now, isn’t it also radical to refer to a god, in such a misogynistic manner such, as “he”? Why not go the other radical direction and say “she”?

        “Temptation is a part of life. God gave this to us for a purpose- to test us. ”

        Yes, this is the “sick game” I was referring to. We neither deserve nor asked to be tested. Why doesn’t this god just leave us out of this sick game of playing roulette with our eternal fates.

        “If everything was perfect, we would be dead. We need good and bad in our lives, we need yin and yang. There couldn’t be good if there was no bad.”

        Aside from the fact that I’ve already shown you that there is no such thing as objective “good and bad,” I would disagree with the above statements. I would argue that if everything was perfect, it would be bliss, and I would be perpetually happy instead of on an emotional roller coaster of despair versus occasionally happy. You only say we would be dead because you were “taught” to say that even tho it makes no sense and you don’t really believe it. Your catholic teachers would be proud that you are helping perpetuate the rhetoric of the religious. Now if you have direct empirical evidence to counter any of my observations, please present it.

        “Teaching is preparing a person for something- the world outside, people they meet on the streets, a career in the future.”

        This is what they call sugar coating it.

        “Teaching” is brainwashing, – which is convincing people to think in a certain manner.

        You even admit as much, above, by the use of the key word “preparing.” The act of “preparing” (in the context of this conversation) is a proactive act which, in the context of teaching, is the attempt to color people’s views of the world around them and getting them to act according to your preferences. That is what the mythical Jesus did.

        You must recognize that you attempt to vilify the act of “brainwashing” by using buzz words such as “pounding” and “Hitler,” but in the same sentence attempt to exalt the act of “teaching” by using the buzz word “prepare.” But try as you may, they turn out to mean the same thing.

        “People control themselves. We all know right from wrong.”

        I’ve already shown evidence to the contrary. To prove that “people control themselves,” you’ll have to prove how they are able to defy the laws of physics. I’m certainly open to that possibility, so if you have evidence to back up your assertion, please present it. And I’ve already shown that there is no such thing as objective “righteousness and wrongness/evil,” do you have evidence to counter my evidence?

  12. hppxg838 says:

    I believe there is enough evidence in nature alone to prove that some greater power, a God if you will, is responsible for our existence. There must have been some “thing”, some great power, some great intelligence that created us and all we see. However, is he the God of Christianity? the God of the Israelites? the god of the hundreds, perhaps thousands of other religions in the world? I don’t have the answer for that question. I was raised in a Christian home, I attended church “religiously”, I even became a lay pastor for some years, but I found that many of the things I had been taught about God were not proven true by my experiences. I could never truly “experience God” or a relationship with him as Christianity promises. I never saw prayers answered, mine or others I knew, or the miracles that the church likes to use as proof. I did however see many unfortunate things happen to good people. People who believed, had “faith”, trusted and hoped and lived a life that should have been rewarded with the promises of the church, but yet they suffered and lost and died and weren’t “blessed”.
    I see news reports where people have lost everything like in the recent tornadoes and often these people say they are blessed and I think, “how can you say that? You’ve lost everything. To be truly blessed would have been to be protected by God from the loss and misery and suffering”. Religion is a very confusing topic to logical thinkers, because the concept of faith is not logical, especially in the face of evidence to the contrary. I wish the God of Christianity was/is real, I wish the God of the Old Testament was/is real. But, based on my experience, learning and observation, I can’t say without a doubt that either one is, or is not either, but I can say that I don’t believe everything that is taught in the name of religion is true. Still trying to find the answers.

    Uncertain

  13. hooglyboogly says:

    “If there is no “prize” at the end, why do we have to obey anything or anyone?”

    Do you have a conscience? I suspect that you do therefore you need no prize to do the right thing. Do you need a book to tell you it’s not ok to steal or murder? Or do you know these things are wrong because you’d not want them to happen to you.

    “How do people, with no faith or religion, cope with right and wrong? ”

    A better question might be to ask the people with religion why their books interpretation of whats right and wrong seems to have changed over the years. We no longer burn heretics do we? It wasn’t the church who decided it was wrong it was society.

    “If you have no reward at the end, what are your guidelines?”

    My reward is that my thoughts, ideas, and actions will be remembered by those I leave behind. My guidelines are dictated by what I know is right and wrong which has nothing to do with religion but how I know how I prefer to be treated by others.

    Thanks for the link.

    hooglyboogly

    • Jeanine says:

      But some may say that the guidelines of right and wrong are created through religion. There is no way to tell which way is right or wrong, it all comes down to faith and if a little faith can sway you a little more to the right and away from the wrong, it’s not the worst thing in the world.

      Your welcome